tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post5508214930249249503..comments2023-10-06T06:09:38.689-07:00Comments on Salve Regina: Maryparamedicgirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-17485676561305879082007-09-03T18:40:00.000-07:002007-09-03T18:40:00.000-07:00paramedicgirl,Protestants simply don't attach much...paramedicgirl,<BR/><BR/>Protestants simply don't attach much significance to Mary, let alone Elizabeth. So, if the former declares, "Henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed", and the latter asks, "And how is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" there's little reason to regard these as anything more than words recorded by Luke as part of his Infancy narrative.<BR/><BR/>Ever notice that Protestants spend more time poring over the epistles of Paul (but not those of Peter or James or Jude or John), than they do over the Gospels? An Episcopalian cleric in my town made this observation re his Congregationalist brethren when the CCD class I was teaching visited his church.Manfredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12001267518848477381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-6077946782468389132007-09-02T19:50:00.000-07:002007-09-02T19:50:00.000-07:00Manfred, I guess that might be one reason why the ...Manfred, I guess that might be one reason why the Protestants don't think Mary is anything special, but it still doesn't explain why they don't pray the Magnificat or understand that Mary is the Mother of God, as quoted in the Gospel of Luke by St. Elizabeth.paramedicgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-5817079658504106942007-09-01T21:13:00.000-07:002007-09-01T21:13:00.000-07:00Just to play devil's advocate:You are aware that n...Just to play devil's advocate:<BR/><BR/>You are aware that no Protestant bible version contains the phrase "Hail, full of grace"; KJV has "Hail, thou that art highly favoured"; NIV has "Greetings, you who are highly favoured".<BR/><BR/>As for calling her "blessed": Proverbs 31:28, in discoursing on the ideal wife, has this: "Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her."<BR/><BR/>So, I would conjecture that for Protestants there is nothing in Luke that renders Mary "full of grace" or more blessed than the ideal wife.Manfredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12001267518848477381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-17388194426875598992007-08-31T10:17:00.000-07:002007-08-31T10:17:00.000-07:00I don't think that all the Protestants have a beli...I don't think that all the Protestants have a belief in the particular judgment?<BR/><BR/>But no, I meant that they believe that once someone is dead (whether in heaven or no), they are dead, can't contact them, can't ask them to pray for you, until you die and go to heaven (where presumably then, you won't need their prayers). To me,therefore, the issue is also with an understanding of the communion of saints.<BR/><BR/>AVRitualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807118138197606155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-83572843073158670162007-08-31T09:58:00.000-07:002007-08-31T09:58:00.000-07:00I think it is not so much that they balk at the fi...<I>I think it is not so much that they balk at the first part (the second naturally) but the perception of addressing a salutation to someone who is (according to them) dead, which they believe borders on necromancy.</I><BR/><BR/>Hmmmm...I guess Jesus was either only kidding or in error when he said God is not the God of the dead, but of the living (Matthew 22, Mark 12, Luke 20).Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-71065822550872606412007-08-31T08:37:00.000-07:002007-08-31T08:37:00.000-07:00That would make them CatholicIt would be a start, ...<I>That would make them Catholic</I><BR/><BR/>It would be a start, Karin. They would also have to accept the Real Presence, the authority of the Pope, and all those beautiful Traditions that go along with the Catholic Faith. You know, the ones that are perceived as superstitions. <BR/><BR/>I bet if they started with the Gospel of Luke and read the Magnificat and the Ave Maria as though they were prayers, the Blessed Virgin would intercede for them and lift the veil from their eyes.paramedicgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-54007593799940645912007-08-31T07:21:00.000-07:002007-08-31T07:21:00.000-07:00Maybe if they understood that intercession means a...<I>Maybe if they understood that intercession means asking the saints to help us by their prayers, they would be more favourable towards this practice. <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>That would make them Catholic PG :)Karinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083996428530332209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-91571519854490769342007-08-31T06:13:00.000-07:002007-08-31T06:13:00.000-07:00DM, yes, ask Margi, by all means! (I asked her on...DM, yes, ask Margi, by all means! (I asked her once, but that was years ago...)<BR/><BR/>Ritualist - Protestants believe there are saints in heaven, (since that's where all Protestants go the instant they die;}, but I guess what you mean is they don't believe in the intercession of the saints. Maybe if they understood that intercession means asking the saints to help us by their prayers, they would be more favourable towards this practice.paramedicgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-20100257258819798272007-08-31T05:51:00.000-07:002007-08-31T05:51:00.000-07:00I think it is not so much that they balk at the fi...I think it is not so much that they balk at the first part (the second naturally) but the perception of addressing a salutation to someone who is (according to them) dead, which they believe borders on necromancy.Ritualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807118138197606155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4673639169019002933.post-51048536920706060132007-08-31T05:39:00.000-07:002007-08-31T05:39:00.000-07:00it is wonderful to be a catholic. i know someone c...it is wonderful to be a catholic. i know someone close to me who is a protestant, and i will ask her if she calls Mary blessed. :)Michelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00550875376593955659noreply@blogger.com