"Oh, but it's only a social club, and at least he comes to Church". Yeah, right.
"Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion".
It just falls on deaf ears.
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It amazes me that folks still dont understand this..what is SOOOO hard..either you follow the Church and all that it teaches/says or you can simply leave, that is just my humble opinion :)
THE CAFETERIA IS CLOSED!
It's more than that:
they are excommunicated latae sentiae. He CANNOT lawfully serve, period. You need to get ALL your facts straight and all Church law on your side and begin the process to have him removed.
I recently had talked to an Ex-District Grand Master, who I helped leave the Masons:
They do practice ABSOLUTE Secrecy, though they're the Most-Compromised Organisation on the planet, with men who've renounced the order, talking & publishing the degrees for all the world to read;
& it's NOT like quitting any club. They make you write a letter, requesting to quit. The Ex-District Grand Master was able to leave one lodge, easily as they accepted his resignation from the Lodge;
He then wrote a letter of resignation to his other lodge & by the by-laws of that lodge, they couldn't accept his resignation, so he was told that since he paid his dues for '07, he would have to just let his membership run out at the end of 2007;
But, in conscience, as he would still have his membership on paper, he feels liberated by the fact that he's no longer a Mason, in his heart. As he weighs his decision on it, he revealed that he felt that this order can brainwash people & is rather Anti-Catholic;
He told me that his ex-Worshipful Master told him that he(The WM)doesn't care what The Church says about the Masons, that the WM would still continue to receive Holy Communion;
I had problems as Grand Knight of my old Knights of Columbus Council in Queens, when my Financial Secretary was sneaking behind my back, countermanding Council Programming under false pretenses, & swearing people to secrecy, so that he would NOT be revealed to me as the person engaged in his deceptive actions, using Masonic Tactics;
It now turns out that this guy, a Convert from Anglicanism, joined the Masons in 1967 & NEVER left the Masons, which may account for all of the devious tactics, to ruin Catholic Programming. It was revealed that the Past Grand Knight-Former Financial Secretary is STILL a Freemason, by that Ex-District Grand Master & Ex-Mason;
The Recent Ex Mason wants to receive The Eucharist without Masonic Membership hanging over his head & now fully understands why he quit.
& this is ALL due to Really-Bad Catechisis.
Catholics as Masons is not unique to your parish. There are some elsewhere who have convinced themselves the Masons are okay, just because the latest Code of Canon Law doesn't explicitly prohibit membership in the Masons. And there's no convincing them otherwise!
PMG,
Silly you. You actually read to them Church law!
Don't you realize yet that the "Spirit of Vatican II" Church isn't Catholicism? Those idiots think that Catholicism didn't exist until 1962.
But hey... who would have ever belived that we would have priests, bishops, archbishops and cardinals defend and give Holy Communion to baby-butchers?
Silly us, huh?
Yup, Vir, the new tradition. I actually had someone on Catholic Answers Forums tell me that the Novus Ordo is the traditional Mass of the Church. And all this time I thought is was an innovation. At least that's what Pope Paul VI called it when he introduced it. Yup, silly me.
As written by Bernard Cardinal Law, the tacit protector of child abusers I might add!
Yeah they took it out of Canon law but a lot of conservatives still feel that the oath of loyalty to the Masons is not in keeping with the church.
I really think that the church is still caught up in anti-masonic worries from a bygone era though. There are plenty of other groups that take oaths, that the church doesn't spend much time on.
Winnie?
Their Oaths are Blood Oaths;
Masonic Degrees do get out over the web;
Take the time to read them.
Wait a second here. These seems to be a debate about Vatican II and from what I gather, it appears that canon Law does not mention anything about it being wrong to be a Freemason.
This is incorrect. Firstly Vatican II does not in anyway go against previous church teachings, (it may be ambiguous) but it is in no way against previous teachings.
This being the case the the encyclical of Pope Leo XIII Humanum Genus (which is part og the magesterial teachings of the church) is still valid. When in turn means that if you are a freemason you are not catholic anymore and you have self induced an excommunication as per the encyclical.
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