Tuesday, September 11, 2007

Defending the faith to a dissenter

Winnipeg Catholic, over at the Reformed Catholic blog, has taken it upon himself to call a bunch of traditional Catholic bloggers schismatics. By his logic, if you are traditional, you must be SSPX. If you have never been to his blog, be warned. He is a self-confessed liberal dissenter, and upholds heretical viewpoints like gay monogamous sex, supports gay marriage, and condones the use of condoms to limit the earths' population, which he considers a great evil. He doesn't understand the tradition of devotion to the Mother of God, and classifies her as just another saint. He explains that spending 20 minutes a day meditating on the prayers of the Marian Rosary is detrimental to Jesus, and he promotes the praying of a non-Marian, Christ centered rosary.

The list goes on, but go explore for yourself, and be sure to check out the comments section under the post I linked to.

(Edit) I see Winnipeg Catholic has deleted many of the comments from the traditional Catholics who are defending the true Catholic faith.

Another edit: September 13 - Well, what do you know? Now it appears he has deleted his blog. At least now unsuspecting souls will be spared his heresy.

23 comments:

Karin said...

PG-
Please dont let this heretic upset you! You and those that know you are fully aware that you are none of the things that he implies you are!

Karin said...

PG-
I gotta laugh at W.C. he is the Condom God worshipping heretic catholic who would not know the "true" faith if the HS came down and smacked him on the head with a frying pan!

PS..love how he delets our comments to make himself look good :)

Karin said...

PG-

Having som sort of issue with my blog...everytime I post something it adds it to another day...anyway if you visit you have to read my post on how having kids could be a sin (as per our favorite heretic) :)

Mamselle Duroc said...

To be called names by such a man would indicate to me that I was doing something right. :D

But, honestly, I could never even consider taking seriously anyone so rude and disrespectful as he is. His uncivil manner of address isn't doing him any favours.

His insistence that you and the others are schismastics, after your repeated flat-out statements that you aren't, is intellectually dishonest. It brings to mind certain Protestants who say: "You Catholics worship Mary." Reply: "No, we don't," and they say: "Yes, you do." There's really no more you can say after that, and it's bad form on their part.

The assertion that posting a video of Lefebvre, especially a video from a point in time when he was in good standing with a church, makes you a SPPXer is simply absurd. I would have no objections to quoting Protestants or Greek philosophers, if what they said is true, and they do speak truths, even often. Does it necessarily follow that I'm either Protestant or Pagan? If a truth is a truth, then it's a truth regardless of who spoke it, and that doesn't mean we subscribe to their entire philosophy.

Karin said...

Did you expect anything else from him?

(Edit) I see Winnipeg Catholic has deleted many of the comments from the traditional Catholics who are defending the true Catholic faith.

Winnipeg Catholic said...

PS.

Ms. Paramedic deletes my comments all the time. Get over it.

paramedicgirl said...

WC said...Ms. Paramedic deletes my comments all the time. Get over it.

Yes, WC. that is one of the privileges of being a blog administrator. When you refer to me by names other than paramedicgirl, I will not publish your comment. You may want to read the Victory Rule once again. It's in my sidebar and speaks about comments.

Divine Mercy said...

i personally took offense to this persons comments on his blog. he is entitled to his opinion, and so be it. but how can one call themselves catholic and support liberalistic views? iam also a traditional catholic myself. i found his comments offensive. i replied to his post over there at his blog and well, we'll see what he does.

Unitas said...

I kinda feel bad for him.

He part of the pseudo-intellectual elite that thinks he knows better than the Church.

He has too much pride to acknowledge that the Church might have more authority and know better than he does.

He plays with doctrines, trimming them to his whims but he does so to his own destruction.

He is empirically past the point of invincible ignorance and his soul is trully in danger.

I'll keep confronting his error for as long as he lets me. Maybe one day something will click and he'll go back to orthodox Catholicism. I hope so, for the good of his soul and the souls he may be leading astray. That's the real tragedy.

the filthy augustinian said...

Keep fighting the good fight, you all.

Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

PMG,
You're doing the world a favor by shining the million candlepower spotlight on this particular cockroach.

PS, am I the only one that can imagen him hissing/lisping "Ms. Paramedic deletes my comments all the time. Get over it", and then he finishes the sentence off with "bitch"?

It's time to wash the gay away.

Angela Messenger said...

The Rosary IS Christocentric.

Maybe we should pray our daily Rosary for the conversion of Winnipeg Catholic.

Therese said...

I am not even going to waste my time going to his site. I was reading there the other day and once is enough for me.

PG maybe it is time to shake the dust from your feet with this dissenter. I think that people like him call people like you and other bloggers schismatic so that he doesn't have to face the possibility that he is the true schismatic.

Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

PMG,

Yes, WC. that is one of the privileges of being a blog administrator. When you refer to me by names other than paramedicgirl, I will not publish your comment.

He looks upon your blog the same way he does the Catholic Church. Just because it's there... he is under the impression that he now owns and controls it.

He's like the 2-yr-old with the "IT'S MINE" syndrome. Didn't I warn you he was a sick puppy?

Patrick said...

Word of advices for Mr. Winnipeg Catholic:

-Don't generalize; just because one Traditionalist hates anything post-Vatican II, is Anti-Semitic or is a member of the SSPX or something of the sort, it necessarily does not follow that all Traditionalists act and think like him/her. (In fact, it is possible that if one 'Traditionalist' thinks as such, he will be more likely within the fringes of Traditionalism; you know, those so-called 'Ultra-Traditionalists'. Even many Traditionalists think these people are quite taking it too far) "The sins of one is not the sins of many", to use the old adage. If there be one who believes so the above, point him/her out and do not accuse the whole.

-You are entitled to do anything on your blog; you can post or do whatever you like with it. If you have problems about Traditionalists say so in a rational and respectful manner. Using names (such as 'idiot') and insults would not help it.

On a less serious note, I noticed that he calls Traditionalists 'throwbacks to the Stone Age.' To an extent he's right; namely, 'Stone' or 'Rock' in Greek would be 'Petros', and Petros was borrowed in Latin as 'Petrus' and Petrus...well, you get the point.

Winnipeg Catholic said...

'Paramedicgirl':

and condones the use of condoms to limit the earths' population, which he considers a great evil.

That's either a lie or a grave misunderstanding. I said that have several children to use as cheap labor in over-populated and war torn Haiti is a great evil. Reproducing in Canada or Boston to educate and care for children is a good thing. That's a far cry from what you said. There are selfish reasons to have children, and there are grave reasons not to have children, which is why the church supports NFP to space children. Haiti's overpopulation is a grave reason to not have children for the people there.

He doesn't understand the tradition of devotion to the Mother of God, and classifies her as just another saint.

This is either a lie or a misunderstanding. Mary is the Queen of Heaven and has a special role as the mother of Christ, the daughter of God, and the spouse of the Holy Spirit (Our Lady of the Trinity).

He explains that spending 20 minutes a day meditating on the prayers of the Marian Rosary is detrimental to Jesus,

This is again either a lie or a grave misunderstanding. The Rosary has always been promoted by the church as a personal, not mandatory devotion. How I pray is my own business. For some people, depending on the person, spending too much time venerating Mary might not be the best thing for them to be doing at the moment. That's really not your business to dictate to people their personal prayer.

he promotes the praying of a non-Marian, Christ centered rosary.

This is one of the few things you stated in your rant that is true. Yet you think praying a Christ centered rosary or advocating it as such is a sin? Sister, that's crazy talk.

And yes, if you are a rad-traddie who posts youtube clips of heretics lovingly on your blog, who wants to dictate the liturgy to the church, well then, your a spritual friend of SSPX.

Karin said...

Haiti's overpopulation is a grave reason to not have children for the people there.


Really? So now you are picking and choosing what is a "grave" reason for people? Are you God?

your a spritual friend of SSPX.

And you must be the spirtual friend of Satan!

Winnipeg Catholic said...

The church has always taught that it is illicit to procreate in certain instances.

Artificial insemination is a prime example, even if the sperm is obtained without masturbation, even if it is between a husband and wife.

Procreation is simply not always licit.

Carrying the child to term is always licit, and of course the child doesn't sin.

But parents can and do sin sometimes when they procreating.

One would think that all you gay-bashers would be well aware of such rules with regard to the two-mommy phenomenon.

Karin said...

The church has always taught that it is illicit to procreate in certain instances.
It is illicit to have "sex" in certain instances.

Artificial insemination is a prime example, even if the sperm is obtained without masturbation, even if it is between a husband and wife.
Gosh, you got something right!


Procreation is simply not always licit.
Definitions of procreation: Having babies.

Having a baby is not a sin B. The sex act to concieve that child may be though.

Carrying the child to term is always licit, and of course the child doesn't sin.

WHEW! Glad to hear that! (sarcasm)

paramedicgirl said...

Procreation is simply not always licit....But parents can and do sin sometimes when they procreating.

The act of sexual intercourse may be sinful, if it is not between a married couple who have no objection to the possibility of a child resulting, but procreation itself? No, WC, when God creates a new life, that is never sinful. God is omnipotent, and He cannot sin. Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

Karin said...

The act of sexual intercourse may be sinful, if it is not between a married couple who have no objection to the possibility of a child resulting, but procreation itself? No, WC, when God creates a new life, that is never sinful. God is omnipotent, and He cannot sin. Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

PG-
Thank you for stating so simply whatmy mushy mind just could not do today :)

Karin said...

PG-

Sorry but I had to repost your comment on my blog... :)

Karin said...

Another edit: September 13 - Well, what do you know? Now it appears he has deleted his blog. At least now unsuspecting souls will be spared his heresy

Thanks be to GOD!